Odd Screen following "Big Bang" NBS show

Odd NBC Image

I captured this image at the end of the NBC show “Big Bang” tonight – it was only displayed for a few seconds (but thanks to my digital video recorder and an iPhone picture of the screen, here is what I saw).

It reads:

“CHUCK LORRE PRODUCTIONS, #225

We exist to bear witness.

We had to be.

The infinite needs us to see it.

Without the perceiver,

the perceived does not exist.

That gives us leverage.

Don’t look until you get what you want”

What does it mean?

Comments

  1. it means a consciousness developed this world and it lives through us. People say we need god or look to god. Well God needs us. This consciousness wants to experience physical life. It wants you to go swimming and run and make love.The “infinite” needs us to see it all. Cause if we didn’t see it what would it all be. What if none of it existed…really what would that be ? think about it. You create your own life, you create everything around you whether you are aware of it or your not. Try thinking about a random person give it a week and they will contact you or you will run into them. This is our world “god” is living through us. You keep your self successful or you keep yourself awkward or anxious, there is something you learn from it. Your Ego gives you something. or simply your loving nature gives you something.The people you pass by on the street you put them there based on what you were thinking. If your scared of fast drivers, you will come in contact with them, if you are annoyed by slow drivers u will always get stuck behind one. Because thats what you are thinking about, whether its what you don’t want or not, you are still thinking about it so it comes to you. its hard to get a handle on what you think, what opinions you form and what you are taking in around you. Don’t live in fear, don’t argue, just try to figure yourself out. Its all science. Its energy. we deal with it everyday. When u are sitting at a traffic light and you look over at a person, then right after the person looks back. It seems like they could feel you glance. They could, its all in us, we just arn’t informed. Understand, the truth is inside of you. Stop following religions and different ideas and just look within yourself, seriously and try to figure it out.

  2. The “fight” between nothingness and everything had to be seen, the universe has to be self aware.

    Lots of reasons for this but they are all inherently derivative, because to derive something it must be created or defined hence the ‘everything’. Awareness or consciousness, think about those words. They just mean “having some thing” and isn’t that everything.

    Leverage to choose what we will see before we ever see it. Enter into things with preconceptions; but what could possibly be a PREconception? Before something exists?

    We get to choose reality because we are reality.

  3. ok how is this for perception – why?

  4. Jennifer says:

    The words have the same meaning as the philosophical question; if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it does it still make a sound? Nothing exists without some form of appreciation. I especially appreciate the line “That gives us leverage”.

  5. So I guess Chuck got what he wanted……. Everyone discussing what he put at the end of the show…………….

  6. Petra Elster says:

    It seems that these is statements are based upon the idea that the existence of a conscious mind is necessary to perceive and establish the existence of everything else.

    The realm of the mind is where everything we perceive really exist. (this is a very common notion in eastern philosophies like Buddhism, for instance, but it is not a religious notion, per se. It´s a philosophical one.

    It´s easy to think about it. Look around you and focus on some object. Touch the object. You can see and touch the object (you are witness to the existance of this object). You see this object because your eyes capture visual sensory information which your mind registers and translates into what you see. It´s not your eyes that see ultimately, its your mind. Your hands also capture the touch information and your mind registers it and translates it into the feeling you experience. The object is outside you mind, but you only interact with it through your mind.
    It the universe existed, but no conscious being existed to notice the existence of the universe, it would be as if the universe didn´t exist. No one would know it was there.

    The leverage is that since humans determine how things are, nothing has to be as it is. Humans can change what is called reality, because reality is ultimately an agreement, not a fact.

    We should not look until we get what we want. We should not blindly accept what is passed to us as reality. For once you accept something as real, it will be real to you.
    —–
    It´s important to notice, that this notion is based upon very old philosophical thoughts, but that it is also in accordance to the latest theories in quantum physics.

    The wisdom of noticing the fragile nature of what we call “reality” is becoming increasingly necessary in our age and time, where everything can be faked, created and manipulated so as to appear real.

  7. Mary Anne says:

    The cards are at the end of all his productions and I love each one of them. Particularly funny was the one with the banging in the morning which turned out to be a bird not the frig apologies to the frig. The one from this week was so true to his cards. He was the commencement speaker at SUNY Potsdam (a campus I actually know) and how Obama was speaking at Notre Dame and about how you do only get what you pay for. LOL

  8. Michael - OH says:

    The last line is also critical…
    “Don’t look until you get what you want”.

    see “You Can’t Always Get What You Want (You Get what you need)” (Jagger/Richards) from ‘Let It Bleed’ 1969

  9. Michael - OH says:

    see Rene Decartes “I think, therefore I am”.
    without someoen to perceive it, it doesn’t exist.

    while you might legitimately argue theology, when it comes to art – the creations of mankind – this certainly holds true.

    It appears this is Chuck Lorre’s mission statement – for if his works are not observed, what purpose do they serve? It’s a manifesto on his part to create works that are observed and that the observer has all the power. The last leaves open the possibility that not all observers are created equally and can be dismissed as irrelevant.

    And yes, its also a favorite of those who believe that god created man in his own image, and man returned the favor.

  10. You’re all reading too much into the statement. It has nothing to do with God. It simply states that nothing would exist without an observer. As per quantum theory, the universe would be nothing more than a mere possibility without an observer locking in reality. Time has no meaning without an observer and would simply run from beginning to end in an instant without an observer. Looked at another way, reality is what we make of it.

  11. Matt Riggins says:

    I think it’s somewhat of a reference to Voltaire quote that says something along the lines of “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him”.

  12. Just saw it tonight, in Feb! Had to google it – thanks for the post – I like the interpretation that we create the idea of God

  13. Updated and corrected version without typos ;-)
    Graig to Russ :
    Ah, you are almost right but are missing one thing, for if the Infinite/Perceiver (let’s say for this e.g., that it’s you, or it could be something bigger like God maybe) is able to perceive itself, then it does not NEED a perceiver to perceive it (itself) but may WANT one… So if you are the only person left in the world, if you know you’re alive, then you do exist, but only to yourself and to your perception of what that means… I can go on as there are different perspectives in seeing this and not only one is right, there are many rights depending on the rules that apply to those thoughts… Whether or not a human exists to witness another living thing, doesn’t make it ‘not’ alive, it is still alive even if no one is there to see it… BUT, ‘Alive’ is a Human-created word given to what we call ‘living things’…. ok, I will stop there for now… I have put this and about 200 more things in my upcoming comic book Graphic Novels in the hopes to open some eyes to those who may want to ‘see’ more, but I’ve been careful with the information so as not to freak out any kids that may read it ;-)
    I liked your comments very much and you made great points.
    My best,
    Graig-

    By Graig F. Weich
    Founder:
    http://www.BeyondComics.TV
    Creator of Ravedactyl & Code Name: Justice.
    11-14-2008

  14. Graig to Russ:
    Ah, you are almost right but are missing one thing, for if the Infinite/Perceiver (let’s say for this eg, that it’s you, or it could be something bigger like God maybe) is able to perceive itself, then it does not NEED a perceiver to perceive it (itself) but may WANT one… So if you are the only person left in the world, if you know you’re alive, then you do exist, but only to yourself and to your perception of waht that means… I can go on as there are different perspectives in seeing this and not only one is right, there any many rights depending on the rules that apply to those thoughts… Whether or not a human exists to witness another living thing, doesn’t make it not alive, it is still alive even if no one is there ti see it, BUT, Alive is a Human created word givin to what we call living things…. ok, I will stop there for now… I have put this in my upcoming comic books, but are being carful with the information so as not to freak out any kids that may read it ;-)
    My best,
    Graig-

    By Graig F. Weich
    Founder:
    http://www.BeyondComics.TV
    Creator of Ravedactyl & Code Name: Justice.
    11-14-2008

  15. @ Racer – Damn – three minutes into that video, my brain froze. :) But I’ll get through it tomorrow, when I am NOT in a drinking mood :)

  16. Racerâ„¢ says:

    Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Chuck Lorre’s own page. Really appreciate it.

    As for some of the comments here; It really surprised me to see so many people not knowing what it means.

    For people who wants to know more about all of this, I suggest reading Imagining The Tenth Dimension. Very accesible material on the subject, among other things. http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

  17. Russ Ledbetter says:

    I disagree with Graig. Something that can only be perceived by itself doesn’t exist. What is the nature of reality? Scientists say that just observing something changes it. There is no ultimate “reality”. Reality is different based on who is observing it. My reality is not “The Reality” nor is anyone else’s. If you take away everyone, all perceivers, does anything exist? We give a chair “its presence, or reality by naming or labeling it as such. It would not be or occur as a chair to someone that had never come in contact with civilization, it would be an undistinguished nothing.” None of what I say can be proved because if you remove all perceivers then you cannot even prove or have a discussion about reality and whether or not it exists without us.

  18. Paul Claessen says:

    Mmm… that “without the perceiver” could be argued to point at the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics while the “don’t look untill” phrase is ALMOST straight from Confucius.
    However, I personally am leaning towars a somewhat different interpretation:
    Every once in a while, after a long night of heavy drinking, I sometimes wake up in the middle of the night and have some perplexing, intensely deep thoughts that almost overwhelm me. I then quickly write them down in a notebook that I always keep handy on my nightstand for such occasions.
    When I read them back the following morning, they invariably look something like the above quoted gems: Pure nonsensical gibberish!

  19. This is actually somewhat traditional kabbalistic in thought and reflects a certain view of the Jewish Friday night Kabbalat Shabbat home service. G-d is not complete without his people’s participation in the service, G-d needs th epeople to worship and the people need G-d. Chuck Lorre is Jewish, so it may reflect something he has studied.

  20. Paul Claessen says:

    Btw:
    He posts all his “vanity cards” (as he calls them) on his website:

    http://www.chucklorre.com/index.php?p=225

  21. I have been seeing his blog posts at the end of shows for a longtime now, but like others, this one left me a little bewildered. Alison’s explanation is very good. I wrote it down and have been pondering it for days. Now I have some angles to view it from.
    I like the ones he wrote during the writer’s strike. He’s lucky to have a place to present his opinion, most people don’t get an opportunity like that in their job. A good many people hate their job, he seems to love what he does.

  22. He usually does something like that with all the shows that he produces. If you remember “Darham and Greg”, at the end of one of the shows, he actually put a cookie recipet at the end.

    He is an interesting man.

  23. i am never home to watch my Monday night shows so i DVR them – -
    Every week after BOTH the big bang theory and Two and a half men (both chuck Lorre Productions) you get these screens (sometimes they say nothing except that they have been blocked due to content or something of the sort) but there is one after both shows that flash by quickly. This one was extreemly short – usually they are full paragraphs that take up most of the screen. The one on after Two and a half men on the same night talked about how The parents television network has been complaining about the content of Two+1/2Men and that since then his rating have gone up and he begged them to please condemn The Big bang theory and his stock portfolio. Usually these messages are comical or philosophical or a bit of both.
    http://www.chucklorre.com/index.php

  24. in response:

    …But if the Infinite/Perceiver is able to perceive itself, then it does not
    NEED a perceiver to perceive it, which means it may Desire the want to be perceived by another…
    For if the Infinite-perceiver can perceive itself, then it is forced to rely on only
    itself without objectivity, without balance, for without another perceiver, how will
    the Infinite/Perceiver know if its ‘perception’ is right?

    If God exists, then maybe it is not Us that created the idea of God, but God that Created Us from an idea, to have God’s Creations acknowledge their Creator, and the Creator within us all.

    We are creatures of Emotion and have the ability to reproduce ourselves, therefore, we might be a reflection of the Creator.

    Whether or not we NEED each other to exist is irrelevant, that we WANT each other, is!

    By Graig F. Weich
    Founder:
    http://www.BeyondComics.TV
    Creator of Ravedactyl & Code Name: Justice.
    11-11-2008

  25. actually alison the big bang theory doesnt refute the notion that there is a God…in fact the red shift and the big bang theory were posited by georges lemaitre, a catholic priest…

    the quote though sounds a bit like the anthropic principle which some take to understand as the universe existing solely to support carbon based life…

  26. @Alison – wow! That is some deep stuff :) Without getting into any religious debate – thanks! I was just lucky to see it and have an interest in figuring out what it meant :)

    Rob

  27. Chuck Lorre is setting up a proof.

    We (humans) exist to bear witness to the fact that we created God. If we did not exist, there would be no God.

    The “infinite” (in other words, God), needs us in order to be seen. Without us, those things we perceive as godly would simply not exist per se (ie: miracles).

    Therefore, we (humans) have leverage over God (well, the idea of God). We can get what we want, because we’re the ones that make God exist. Religion says “Obey the Golden Rule” because “God said it” but really it’s humanity saying it.

    Also, the fact that the show is titled Big Bang Theory makes us think that Chuck Lorre is not a big believer in God to begin with. The whole theory refutes the notion that an infinite being created the universe; instead it posits that the universe came into being mostly on its own, by chance.

    Hope that helps! I’m very impressed that you posted this so quickly :)

  28. Odd I’ve never seen them before, since I also watch 2 1/2 Men. Interesting. But still doesn’t tell me what it means :)

    Hey, Chuck Lorre – what’s it mean?

  29. Chuck Lorree does something called Vanity Cards, I googled more on the topic. He has them flashed after every episode he produces. I guess we both just happened to actually see this one.

    http://www.chucklorre.com/index.php

    That’s the website incase you want to check it out.

  30. @Tina – I have no idea. It seems very odd :) Like something an employee slipped in at the last minute.

  31. I watched the same episode and went straight to google and found your blog. If you find out what it means or have any ideas I would be interested.

    I think my take on it right now is that we exist to see what is going on and if we were not here nothing would exist?

  32. @Ike – OK, but what does it _mean_ ? :)

  33. Chuck Lorre started this little series of micro-chapters with his earlier series, including Dharma and Greg.

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